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    Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 5:04pm
If I am working two or more sectors that border each other, covering arrival routes that lead from one to the next, do I still need to execute a handoff when an aircraft crosses from one to the next?

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Hi Andrew, sectors you work are effectively combined into one. You only have to hand off to AI controlled airspace. You are automatically assigned the outermost position and letter. For sectors that are not next to each other you would hand off to an AI controller then he would hand off to you when the aircraft was entering your additional airspace. Make sense?
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Okay, then I am little confused about the who is responsible for which chunks of air near runways at KATL.  I am working Northwest Radar, North Approach, along with North and Center Final during an east flow.  South Final is being run by the AI, along with all of the southside inbound traffic.  I have no issues turning incoming traffic onto 8L, but when I turn traffic coming off the Kolt1 or Raptor3 onto 9R, some of the time I have no problem, and some of the time I am told that I need to hand the traffic off to the South Final controller.  I thought the South Final controller was in charge of traffic coming into runway 10 from the south.  I have gone through the Airspace Delegation info and it is a little vague about the specific jurisdictions of the North, Center, and South Final positions.  Could someone offer any clarification?

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Hi Andrew,
I'm not a real world expert on A80 (or anywhere else Big smile) but I have tested the facility quite a bit in ATCpro, plenty of South Final and South Approach. I just looked at a session with the positions activated like you mentioned. I noticed that only runway 8L was being used for arrivals for the North Final position (as assigned by the AI controllers). Runways 9R and 10 were being used by South Final. When working South Final I noticed that if I got the aircraft close to the boundary of North final on final approach, or they turned a little wide onto the final course, I got the complaint to hand them off to North Final. Try turning off Center Final and see if that makes things more straightforward. Also try working the South positions for some variety.

Let us know how it goes...
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Thanks Dave, I will give that a shot.  Perhaps Tom could jump in and shine some light on the intended function of the Center Final position?  It sounds like the North and South positions already have everything covered (maybe this is only needed when things are at their busiest???).    Looking at the scope, it appears that both the North and South positions have small bits of territory (for lack of a better word) that jut over the center line of 9R, and inter-mesh almost like jigsaw pieces.  Just want to be sure this was intended.  Thanks. 

By the way, I hope you do not think I am nit-picking.  The very fact that there is even a cause for having discussions over such subtleties in a sim like this is amazing.  The amount of work you guys have put into it is very obvious.  I love being able to take a big sector like A80 and manage little bits of it. 

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I've also noticed a tendency for planes to auto flash to H when working center and south combined when they really shouldn't. Is there a way to turn auto handoff off?
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Hi Ryan,
 
In the Program Settings screen, .. under TCW Options, .. there is an option:-
 
.. enable automated handoffs .. on or off.
 
It is 'On' by default.
 
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Thanks!
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The purpose of Center Finals is very simple.  They don't own much.  It's for when they're landing triple ILSs.  They only own the far end of the finals box at 7000, and then the localizer for 27L/9R.  That's it.  During land east, only planes from the northwest or southwest would get assigned 9R, and during land west, only planes from the northeast or southeast would be assigned 27L.  Generally, I think they just pick the busiest flow, from ONE of those valid directions, and assign just those the center runway.  You'll note, on the RNAV STARs, that the 27L/9R transitions have restrictions at 7000 to make sure they are in Center Finals airspace.  The north and south finals own underneath. 

***In case you haven't realized it yet:  If you open up the maps menu, open up the "AIR SPC" button, and each sector in each flow can be labelled with what altitudes they own.  

Then they mix the other three flows to the north or south ILSs, using the crossover transitions to get the north arrivals to the south runway and visa versa to even out the flow, or to favor the north runway since it's close to the terminals.  
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Thanks deltamike.  That clarifies a lot.

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