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    Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 11:18am
Recently I tried the Atlanta Departure positions, specifically the North one, using a West flow.

For my first go I only had Commercial departures enabled.

I see take-offs mostly on the middle runway initially assigned to position S. The ones that will turn north bound are handed off to me.

But... what should I say when they contact me? 'Radar Contact' was already done by the S controller. They report to me by saying 'Climbing out of xxxx', but not their assigned altitude.

So, I listened to the S controller. He usually will tell them 'climb unrestricted, maintain 14000' after the planes tell him the plane is climbing on departure or SID. Then he hands them over to me.

I decided to just repeat the climb command (well, without 'unrestricted', which I could not get recognized). When they approach ~12000 I start the handover to center, which results in them continuing their climb without stopping at 14000.

However... I got assigned a flight with 10000 as cruising altitude in the flight plan, so instead of telling it to climb to 14000 I told it to climb to 10000.

Bam! Airspace violation, can not climb a flight out of your airspace.

Ok, what should I have done?

Then a plane takes off from one of the north runways. It contacts me directly, FL280 in the flight plan, so I tell it to climb and maintain 14000 for now... again: Airspace violation, can not climb a flight out of your airspace.

What am I doing wrong?

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Are you sure you're not climbing them in to the Feeder airspace?

Atlanta North Departure (West)




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That could very well have been the case for the departure of the northern runway.

Still, the Center Departure controller also assigned them 14.000 in the SFC-100 space.

I'll see what happens when I assign them 8000 or maybe I should not mess with them if they are following a standard departure or sid.

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What you can do is "point them out" to the feeder controller. Command: 1D* and then click the departing aircraft. This will allow you to control your aircrafts inside their airspace. Just remember to use the asterisk, haha.
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Ok, will give that a try as well.

But indeed, if I assign 10.000 or lower there is no problem, even if the AI controller is able to assign 14000. So, I'll just say Roger, or assign them 9000.

I noticed another thing while experimenting. A departure on 'my' runway contacts me, saying it's on the SID. I ask them to Say Altitude.... they say: 4300 for 0 and immediately there is a CA alert until I assign them an altitude. Ah well, probably won't have to ask that at that point anyway.
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Yes, I would just assign them to 10000, at least if there are a lot of approaches coming over. 

And for the 4300 for 0, sounds like a bug, don't know if the developers know about it.
Usually they should say what altitude they are at, and the altitude they are going to on initial contact.

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Incoming traffic from D is at 11000, so the A/C must stay beneath them.

Give them a clearance to 10000 and when they're in your airspace up to 140000, clear A/C to 140000.

Then hand A/C off to Center.

(works for me)

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